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news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one's. >> and this actually appears to be working. a new poll shows the president is running ahead of the boehner-led republican team. what about basketball you say? we go to charlotte last night, and the knicks treasury secretary, carmelo anthony, top paid and big star got hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. then the at the end it came down to this. >> looking for felton and finds smith. two seconds, one second. smith for the win. >> game over. no overtime. deal, end game, done. is this meaningless nba game in charlotte lead us to how the fiscal fiesta ends? we have a man
news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good...
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republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax reform has to be the next phase. i hope there's a commitment to it. you know, backing up on the revenue and what republicans need to do, i think the approach that republicans are saying is if there's a number, there are ways to get -- a variety of ways to get to the number. we want to get to a number and do it in a way to stimulate the economy and encourage growth. so there's just lots of ways of getting to a number, and it doesn't have to be that top marginal rate. you can do it through closing of loopholes and capital gains and a number of different ways to do it
republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax...
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i think that the fiscal cliff and it is a cliff, on january 1 withholding taxes go up to the tune of $400 billion. >> not necessarily. >> it would have a very negative effect on the economy. according to the legislation they would, jared. >> they would not. >> jared, you have to -- >> let me make a point. the treasury secretary can decide if he or she believes a deal sl imminent not to adjust withholding tables. very important. >> i'm talking about no deal and we go off the cliff. >> we go off and stay off. >> it's $400 billion. we have a lot of things to do with regard to our debt ceiling, and my feeling is no one really believes the united states of america is going to default on its debt even if it lapses. we're dealing with different things. one is real and substantive and the other is psychological. >> i really disagree. >> i know you do. >> we could have a good discussion about this if we had more time. the idea that if the debt ceiling lapses, peter, that means that we can no longer borrow from credit markets and can't finance our debt. >> we're doing most of our borrowing rig
i think that the fiscal cliff and it is a cliff, on january 1 withholding taxes go up to the tune of $400 billion. >> not necessarily. >> it would have a very negative effect on the economy. according to the legislation they would, jared. >> they would not. >> jared, you have to -- >> let me make a point. the treasury secretary can decide if he or she believes a deal sl imminent not to adjust withholding tables. very important. >> i'm talking about no deal...
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reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be se
reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you...
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instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a crazy idea. i'm amazed that secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday. hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. that's the kind of response it deserves. >> they are laughing in public, but they are panicking behind closed doors. conservative writer matt lewis, writer for "the daily caller", the notion that republicans have leverage is silly. it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly-predicting a romney victory. he said republicans are so screwed. this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to h
instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a...
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and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something on the table or is that not going to happen until like the 30th, 31st of the month? >> well, what i would say is in the white house's initial offer they did offer $400 billion in medicare cuts. and that is something that i think the republicans should actually like as a starting point because clearly the white house knows that they are going to have to go up from there. and bob corker the senator from tennessee who was also on "meet the press" yesterday has proposed some legislation that instead cuts $641 million out of medicare. we'll see some scale
and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something...
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low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and getting the fight over with and a conference that won't allow it. i think what senator demint is saying and house republicans are saying to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to f
low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and...
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all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reduci
all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take...
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, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. that's one of the reasons i'm running for a second term as president. >> how quickly we forget. in the words of secretary timothy geithner, this is why republicans have no choice but accepting the tax increases on the wealthiest americans. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of republicans want to extend for 2% of americans? why does that make any sense. there's no reason why that should happen. we ca
, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof...
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tax rates will go up. republicans might let a vote go through on a bill that, you know, extends all the middle-class tax cuts, lets the top 2% expire. say it's a democrat bill, democrats mainly supported it with moderate republicans and senate approve that and throw in unemployment benefits and other stuff. >> and john boehner can't afford to say there's progress being made or people will have his head again. he has to say pleasant but nothing going on. >> i don't know. i think if you believe that this is the truth, you and ayman should do something like if you had mustaches shave them if you lose. >> grow them. >> grow. maybe grow one. >> universal. >> no one wants to see a mustache. >> the mustache karma of david axelrod can be channeled through cnbc's ayman jabbers. >> i'll talk to him about that. >> i checked with ben about that. he will accept payment in pennies if i lose. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> that is downright scrooge-like. ayman jabbers thank you as always for the answers my friend. >> t
tax rates will go up. republicans might let a vote go through on a bill that, you know, extends all the middle-class tax cuts, lets the top 2% expire. say it's a democrat bill, democrats mainly supported it with moderate republicans and senate approve that and throw in unemployment benefits and other stuff. >> and john boehner can't afford to say there's progress being made or people will have his head again. he has to say pleasant but nothing going on. >> i don't know. i think if...
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one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we hammer out the long-range solutions to all this. >> i want to you listen to something that your colleague, pattie murray, from washington state said on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea
one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars,...
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earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit fewer people. you know -- >> and therefore, produce less revenue. >> produce less revenue but at higher rates potentially than the president is talking about. i mean, you know, the thing is even though we feel like we are constantly hearing from bob rubin and larry somers and roger altman, a little bit of a bad penny -- >> you have heard this before. >> on the other hand, they were absolutely right. even bill krystal agrees with them. the economy boomed during the middle of the clinton two administrations when the high tax rate was at 39.6%. we had a huge expansion of p
earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit...
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tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got it. >> after the break, offer ver ses counteroffer. we will break both down with ezra klein when he joins us next on "now." i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our env
tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got...
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the president's idea is raising taxes on income over a quarter million dollars but keeping the bush tax cuts for everybody else. that idea is very popular. 60% support. it is a very popular plan that the president is trying to drum up even more support for now with these campaign style trips. now, on the other side, what the republicans want to do, their plan is to limit deductions, limit tax deductions. that's their plan instead. that, in contrast to the president's proposal, is not popular. more people oppose that idea than support that idea. even republicans hate the republican idea. look at 39% of republicans support the republican proposal. that's before you get to the other part of the republican proposal, something being floated by republican senator bob corker of tennessee, an idea we should raise the eligibility age for medicare. that is a wildly unpopular idea. more people oppose than support that idea by a 37% margin. it is more unpopular among republicans than the general public. republicans have not convinced their own voters let alone the rest of the country. they have not
the president's idea is raising taxes on income over a quarter million dollars but keeping the bush tax cuts for everybody else. that idea is very popular. 60% support. it is a very popular plan that the president is trying to drum up even more support for now with these campaign style trips. now, on the other side, what the republicans want to do, their plan is to limit deductions, limit tax deductions. that's their plan instead. that, in contrast to the president's proposal, is not popular....
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the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys have a way of figuring aue ining out what? said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no. >> you did not -- this is something you were -- okay. >> but, again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. >> i mean, did republican leaders want cole's advice to be leaked? >> of course they did. i mean, and if they didn't want it to be leaked, they wanted it to be repeated. so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really la
the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys...
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everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning. >> president obama said a fam of four's taxes could go up. what impact does that have? >> it's fantastic to have the president our endorser in chief. when you remove that discretionary income and toys are a discretionary purchase as are other things. you are having some potential impact on the entire economy. obviously, toys and other things, as well. >> the president's plan calls for raising the tax rates on americans earning $250,000 or more. most republicans remain dead set against the president's plan. >> that's true. i think, though, we have to take a look at th
everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning....
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middle class tax cuts to proceed? that's their choice, and i think people like tom cole recognize that it's unsustainable to take the position that nobody gets tax relief because they hold out for folks with 250,000 and over to get this extra tax cut on the portion of their income above 250,000. after all, what the president is saying on that part of your income above 250,000, you're going back to the clinton era tax raites, which is 4 cents on the dollar. >> congressman van hollen, thank you for your time. we'll see what happens next. thank you, sir. >>> we could soon learn who the president wants to be the next secretary of state. chuck todd says a decision could come this week, but as we get closer to a decision, the partisan divide over the potential nomination of susan rice, considered the front-runner, seems to be intensifying. >> when it comes to susan rice as far as lindsey graham is concerned i find great fault with what she said on 16th of september. in other areas i find her lacking when it comes to being t
middle class tax cuts to proceed? that's their choice, and i think people like tom cole recognize that it's unsustainable to take the position that nobody gets tax relief because they hold out for folks with 250,000 and over to get this extra tax cut on the portion of their income above 250,000. after all, what the president is saying on that part of your income above 250,000, you're going back to the clinton era tax raites, which is 4 cents on the dollar. >> congressman van hollen, thank...
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we had the big tax breaks for wealthy americans from 2000 to 2008. what happened at the end of that period? jobs went down, the deficit went up. we also know, reverend al, from the nonpartisan congressional office, that those tax breaks for the very wealthy people have virtually no impact on jobs and economic growth and that the proposals the president has made, both the middle class tax extension, plus his small business tax cut, taken together do a lot more than you would get in terms of job growth from providing the folks at the very top with this bonus tax break. so you've got to look at the president's entire plan, both the investment in our infrastructure as well as middle class tax relief and small business tax relief and that is the jobs plan for the future and no matter what republicans say, the reality is that at the end of the day they are looking out for the folks at the very top. we know from our own history. >> yeah. >> that history is bankrupt. >> and these are things we need. if you look at what hurricane did to new york and new jerse
we had the big tax breaks for wealthy americans from 2000 to 2008. what happened at the end of that period? jobs went down, the deficit went up. we also know, reverend al, from the nonpartisan congressional office, that those tax breaks for the very wealthy people have virtually no impact on jobs and economic growth and that the proposals the president has made, both the middle class tax extension, plus his small business tax cut, taken together do a lot more than you would get in terms of job...
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he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend, dick morris, who said, i know there's a disagreement on when life begins in america, but for heaven's sake, we ought to agree that life ends when you die. >> now we know why congressman louie gohmert of texas feels so passionately about protecting the word "lunatic." >>> coming up, one of the world's biggest companies is coming back to america. they're not worried about profits. they're worried about the american workforce. we'll explain why, next. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, now is a good time to think about your options. are you looki
he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend,...
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number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >> okay 0. see, on that note then, joe, i just -- i know that it's not -- when he says i won and you don't like it, he's just putting out something there that just seems like a little tone deaf to what republicans want to hear. there are some, the consumer confidence, housing, the news on the economy, there are some signs that perhaps this administration might know what they're doing. is that fair to say? >> hold on. >> so you can't say it. >> i can't even say it. >> why don't you pull a mitch mcconnell on me? brian sullivan, thank you. all right, coming up -- >> that's how mitch mcconnell lau
number one, tax revenues have remained about the same regardless of tax rates. the government sort of takes in about the same regardless. and while federal income tax rates have gone down for lower and middle income families since 1980, state and property taxes have gone up by about the same amount. so federal has gone down. so here is my bumper sticker for you guys. maybe i'll print it up this weekend. >> sure. >> blame your mayor and governor. don't blame your president. >>...
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capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren buffett makes, the type of money that mitt romney makes, the type of money that bill gates makes. those people aren't paying 14% taxes when the rest of americans are carrying the full load. >> i think to your point about the party on this issue, absolutely. i think the party has a window now to come to the table in an honest way to be, again, the party of the middle class. more importantly, joe, to be the party of the poor, to make the argument of elevating people out of poverty into ownership through our tax syst
capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren...
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it's not increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's just blanketly you increase taxes. so you've got all this noise going on. and boehner's got to try to figure out a way to give these guys some cover but know he's got to cut the deal. to your point, leigh, about how do you begin to pull it from the big plan to a smaller plan, that's really what the white house and boehner quietly are talking about. >> and what we don't want also is i think a kind of down payment deal that sort of makes it a two-part deal that just delays everything. >> i think you're going to get some of that. i think you'll probably get the big deal for the middle class. okay, we're going to take that off the table. and graham and others have said that. we know we're not going to raise taxes on the middle class. let's let the bush tax cuts stay in place for the middle class. and then it becomes a little bit more of an interesting conversation when you're only dealing with a smaller percentage of the plan as opposed to the big piece right now. >> so how does he -- how does john boehner save face? you t
it's not increasing taxes on the wealthy, it's just blanketly you increase taxes. so you've got all this noise going on. and boehner's got to try to figure out a way to give these guys some cover but know he's got to cut the deal. to your point, leigh, about how do you begin to pull it from the big plan to a smaller plan, that's really what the white house and boehner quietly are talking about. >> and what we don't want also is i think a kind of down payment deal that sort of makes it a...
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an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive, the income of the top 1% has grown by over
an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a...
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taxes. >> now the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's compared to 32% who say tax cuts should continue for everyone. >> well, hillary clinton says she insists that she wants to get out of politics. but a new poll shows that the majority of americans are hoping she has a change of heart. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 50% of americans would vote for hillary clinton in 2016. 37% would oppose such a campaign. hillary clinton also has a strong bid of support in her home state of new york where 54% of voters say she would make a great runner. but new yorkers are not so enthusiastic about the current governor jumping into the race. 39% suppo
taxes. >> now the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe will harm our economy. >> and new polling by the associated press could strengthen the president's hand in negotiations. 48% of americans say they support the idea of raising taxes on the highest earners. that's...
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they're charged with tax evasion. they deny any wrongdoing. >>> finally, it may be the only time you smile about a story on the fiscal cliff. you need to check out this youtube video of a little boy glued to the animation used by our friends at cnbc. [ laughing ] >> that's the great thing about kids. you can leave him there for 15 minutes. he'd be all set. >>> one of the coolest down hill skating races you'll see this year. plus, bofrming legend mohammed ali receives the biggest award in boxing history. that's next. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically
they're charged with tax evasion. they deny any wrongdoing. >>> finally, it may be the only time you smile about a story on the fiscal cliff. you need to check out this youtube video of a little boy glued to the animation used by our friends at cnbc. [ laughing ] >> that's the great thing about kids. you can leave him there for 15 minutes. he'd be all set. >>> one of the coolest down hill skating races you'll see this year. plus, bofrming legend mohammed ali receives the...
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they're going to raise tax rates. then you say that to boehner's office. no, no. that's not true. >> right. meanwhile the american people are rolling their eyes and not paying attention to any of this. >> look, the stock market has been -- it's been a little troubling for the last three weeks or so. but absolutely. this is like total washington style political posturing. in the end will they get a deal? absolutely. they always get a deal. >> but the question is, is it a small deal or a big deal? >> well sure. >> and that is where i'm a pessimist on i think the smallest possible -- >> yeah. temporary. >> small as possible. >> they'll tackle it next year. >> because there is so much left on the table. we have the debt ceiling, one area where republicans really do have their leverage, you know, that is coming up, too. it's got to be a small deal. >> what is the debt ceiling leverage? i say it this way. okay. you've got leverage but if you use it, the entire -- the popularity rating of the party is going to tank. >> i was
they're going to raise tax rates. then you say that to boehner's office. no, no. that's not true. >> right. meanwhile the american people are rolling their eyes and not paying attention to any of this. >> look, the stock market has been -- it's been a little troubling for the last three weeks or so. but absolutely. this is like total washington style political posturing. in the end will they get a deal? absolutely. they always get a deal. >> but the question is, is it a small...
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nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the debt ceiling. i want to play what senator mcconnell has said regarding the president and the portion of his proposal that included the debt ceiling. let's play it. >> the last person who should have limitless borrowing power. look, the only way we cut spending around here is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. >> i bet you don't agree with that? >> i don't agree with that. we've seen what happens. we've been brought to the brink and don't want to go back to 1995 when the folks walked out and government was shut down. what did we accomplish? i think even mr
nobody even knew what the alternative minimum tax was 8, 9 years ago. now more and more americans, millions are susceptible to it. if you have to patch it for another year, i would hope to get a final solution to that situation very, very shortly because we cannot have that anxiety hanging over folks as they go to pay their taxes in february and march of next year. >> absolutely. another issue, i guess, that is seen as a complication but one that must be addressed the president says, the...
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those middle class tax cuts in that legislation would protect the tax cuts for 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses. that, as we are in the midst of the holiday season, is absolutely essential to continuing to get our economy turned around and focus on job creation. >> "the new york times" reporting today that negotiations are now down to just two people. the president, the house speaker. we know that some senate democrats dispute this. what do you think about this point with regard to the negotiations and who's in the room? >> i know that the president and his advisers are focused on making sure that in the discussions that they have with both the house and the senate that whatever plan they agree to includes a balanced approach. one that's fair to the middle class and one whose math makes sense and reaches the size of the duff sit reduction we need that doesn't balance all the pain on the backs of the middle class and that makes sure that we have suspending cuts and revenue. when it comes to entitlement reform, we have an opportunity to add another hundreds of billions of doll
those middle class tax cuts in that legislation would protect the tax cuts for 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses. that, as we are in the midst of the holiday season, is absolutely essential to continuing to get our economy turned around and focus on job creation. >> "the new york times" reporting today that negotiations are now down to just two people. the president, the house speaker. we know that some senate democrats dispute this. what do you think about this point...
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we don't think their taxes should go up. to me since that's a point of agreement and doesn't affect either side's negotiating position on the other issues we ought to remove it from the table. make sure most americans don't have to worry about their taxes going up. having said that, again, i think the speaker's right on in terms of the proposal he's put out there. most importantly, he couples it with something the president doesn't, which is really significant spending cuts and entitlepment reform. but if we solve the tax problem for 98 ps% of the american people, continue to fight for the other 2%, to not raise rates, that seems to me we move closer it toward that spending and entitlement debate and i think that's something that the president and the democrats in general are trying to avoid. >> senator, tom coburn was on "morning joe" alongside you today and he has -- he's willing to make a deal that does involve the higher rates for the wealthy. why not go there? the president has made it clear it just is not enough money
we don't think their taxes should go up. to me since that's a point of agreement and doesn't affect either side's negotiating position on the other issues we ought to remove it from the table. make sure most americans don't have to worry about their taxes going up. having said that, again, i think the speaker's right on in terms of the proposal he's put out there. most importantly, he couples it with something the president doesn't, which is really significant spending cuts and entitlepment...
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i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have republicans who are dug in inning there's no way they're -- insisting there's no way they're going to support increasing rates on the wealthiest americans. >> let me play for you what the president just said to bloomberg tv. >> entitlement reform, i don't expect republicans to agree to any plan where they're just [ inaudible ] that entitlement reform would happen. we have to have specific down payments now, recognizing we would have to continue to work to come up with better ideas to reduce health care costs over the long term. >> are you willing to work with the president to go up against aarp to b
i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, though, we have...
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everybody's taxes go up. sequestration takes place, cut a tree in two in spending and he'll come back and cut taxes for some people and try and claim himself to be the hero. if you do that you're going to have negative gdp for the next quarters of next year and return to recessionary times. >> so nothing can get ton, though, the house could pass that -- could simply pass the making the middle class tax rates permanent? >> they could. the only way to avert things? >> i'm not in favor of patchwork solutions to a macro problem. whether it's capping deductions or raising rates, entitlements are an issue and we got the deal with entitlements, two-thirds of all federal spending and discretionary spending is part of the problem. all three have to be addressed in a macro plan or you're not going to solve the problem. >> i want to ask you a quick question on susan rice. do you believe the benghazi incident disqualifies her to be secretary of state? >> it will prevent her being confirmed until the white house comes for
everybody's taxes go up. sequestration takes place, cut a tree in two in spending and he'll come back and cut taxes for some people and try and claim himself to be the hero. if you do that you're going to have negative gdp for the next quarters of next year and return to recessionary times. >> so nothing can get ton, though, the house could pass that -- could simply pass the making the middle class tax rates permanent? >> they could. the only way to avert things? >> i'm not in...
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saying we're not budging on tax breaks. we're not going to cave in on that. but, we might end up doing something. give me a little bit of room on entitlements. i understand that's the message and the progressive message is we'll give you a little room. we don't want to give you a lot. >> if you isolate the medicare piece of it, they don't want to do anything on the individual medicare rips. maybe we could do something on -- i think the progressive wish list would be to do something on negotiating drug prices, bringing that back from the old fight, the affordable care act. so i think there is wiggle room. i think democrats are dug in on not touching social security and i would be shocked if that even entered the conversation. >> the cpi change, something the president has offered and he's ready to do that. >> i think people want to protect medicaid, obviously, and would like to protect social security. i think medicare is the rule. >> thatour gaggle will stick ar. we'll hear from the white house officially when they can first talk about the jobs report. they c
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> first he supported and now he doesn't. we're talking about mitch mcconnell's legislation to avert defaulting on the nation's debt t would give the president greater power to raise the debt ceiling without approval, something the president wants. senator mcconnell brought up the legislation yesterday morning but by yesterday afternoon he was objecting. >> is there an objection? >> preserving the right to object matters of this controversy, what we're talking about is a perpetual debt ceiling grant in effect to the president. >> this morning, republican leader asked for consent on his proposal. just now i told everyone that we're willing to have that vote. up or down vote. and now
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> first he supported and now he doesn't. we're talking about mitch mcconnell's...
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tax cuts. are they willing to limit unemployment insurance, give up infrastructure spending, which is something the president has been talking about from the beginning, payroll tax cut. what's the white house plan here? >> well, alan simpson in addition to being an excellent dancer is a very shrewd political analyst. >> very hip, alan simpson. >> very, very, very good dancer recently. but, look, i think people talk in terms of political advantage and clearly the president is going to gain more political advantage from going off the cliff than the republicans are going to. that's where the polls are showing. that's clearly where there is going. that doesn't mean it's a good idea for the country or economically. the country is are they looking at their own political interests or do they actually want to make sure the economy stays out of recession here. this is a very dangerous game that we're playing with over the next four weeks. >> i want to bring in congressman tom price, a republican from ge
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the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the n
the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach...
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enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning the white house. that's gone. so i think some of that is abated. >> and chris cizilla, john boehner seems to have more running room. you don't see eric cantor looking over his shoulder quite so much. >> i thought that one of the most fascinating things of the week, the "new york times" story that detailed what you're saying, andrea, that john boehner is in a stronger position than he was after the 2010 election. sort of consolidated his republican conference behind him. david is right, is i think what we know is republicans are willing ultimately, they may not say it today,
enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning...
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tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential candidate, at one point, from hillary clinton to barack obama, from john kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to talk about how they're goi
tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential...
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-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time. you needed the two weeks, i think. you hate to say it. you had to kill some time. you had to let the posturing happen. that's what washington feeds on. fair enough, it's just what they do. >> does this mean that john boehner has the confidence of the republican caucus, that he can go into a negotiating room with the president and not worry about getting, you know, having to pull 12 knifes out of his back after he comes back with a proposal? >> i think the whole thing of political posturing is a big issue n. talking with him and others, there hasn'
-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time....